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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 00:27:50 PST
From: The Moderators <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #247
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Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 29 Dec 93       Volume 11 : Issue 247

Today's Topics:

      [!] Change in the info-mac recent directory
      [*] FASSoccer 1.0
      [*] Find_Stuff1.04.hqx
      [*] GEnieNav_Lite_21.hqx
      [*] GEnieNav_Lite_21_Update.hqx
      [*] MacBoing 1.0
      [*] Mysteron Fader
      [*] So To Speak 1.0
      [*] Splines Fader
      [*] Stacks&Externals_catalog.hqx
      [*] Type 1 and TT font posting
      [Q] Network Managment Software....
      Accessing files of type SIMA, creator GEOL (Q)
      Adding a SuperDrive to a MacII
      another Partition question
      AppleCD 300 promotion in France !! (C) (2 msgs)
      Apple Color Display "Bug"? (Q)
      Checkmark in the Watch
      Does rebuilding the desktop destroy custom icons (A)
      Does rebuilding the desktop destroy custom icons?
      eccentric modems (Q)
      FaxSTF - no upgrade policy
      FaxSTF no upgrade policy
      Finder Help
      From DOS machine to Mac
      GIFs from PC
      Good basic educational software?
      Good Educational Software (R)
      Have you ever seen this bug
      Help! I can't run SpectreVR on my SE...
      I'm new here
      IIsi Sound Problems (A)
      IIsi Sound Problems (Q)
      Installing LaserWriter8 (R)
      Jasmine "MegaDrive" driver?
      LC 520 monitor [A]
      LineLink-InterSLIP hangup
      Linelink 144e:  I returned it
      lost file icons
      Mac in a PC world?  Hmmm... [Q]
      Macintosh "Real" multitasking
      Mac Multitasking (C)
      MacSlurp
      MacWorld Netherlands (C)
      Moving from Mac to PC - good or bad?
      Multi-tasking again (C)
      Need a good find!
      New Apple Software?
      Oxford English Dictionary on CD-ROM (Q)
      StartupScreen Problems
      SuperBoomerang/WordPerfect conflict
      Terminal Software
      The thin grey line...
      THINK Pascal 4.0 --- (_really_ good book for beginners)
      Vacation Tracker Recommendations (Q)
      Where do I find info on using AppleScript ?
      WordPerfect 3.0 for the Mac
      WordProcessor Overdosed (was: WP 3 is a dog)

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 23:43:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Gordon Watts -- U of Rochester <[e-mail]>
Subject: [!] Change in the info-mac recent directory

Hi all,
  As of Tuesday night the procedures by which info-mac updates the recent
directory have changed.  This should not affect most people (I've been wrong so
many times I don't want to think about it :)).
  First the most important change: its name has changed from recent to rec to
bring it in line with our other 3 character dir names (you *know* what they say
about conformity!).  I've left a link called recent pointing to rec for now so
no one's script will break.  However... the link will dissapear in about a
month.  So if you use the "recent" directory anywhere, please change it to
"rec"!
  Second I've changed the way files are added to the rec directory.  From now
on, the file date should be a close approximation of the upload date (yah!!!).
If any of you have noticed, this has been the way the "test-recent" directory
has been setup for the past 2 months or so.  I think I'm done testing it, and
it should work... :)  The test-recent directory is gone.
  So -- change references from "recent" to "rec" and you should be ok.  File
timestamps in the rec directory actually mean something.
  Hope y'all had a happy holiday adn will have a good new year!  Let me know of
any problems or suggestions.

    Cheers,
        Gordon (one of your friendly info-mac moderators -- who can't
            spell!!)

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 11:08:56 SST
From: [e-mail] (George Loo Chee Khin)
Subject: [*] FASSoccer 1.0

Hi, this is my Five A Side Soccer game for the Mac. It is free of charge.
It has been tested on most Macs, including the AVs.
Please distribute freely as long the entire program is not
modified in any way. It may be included in the CD ROM, if worthy
of being so.

Regards,
George Loo

[Archived as /info-mac/game/fas-soccer-10.hqx; 175K]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 00:08:26 EST
From: [e-mail] (David Sugar)
Subject: [*] Find_Stuff1.04.hqx

  This is the latest version of my program Find Stuff.  It should replace
the older version the is currently on Sumex.  I have fixed a couple of
bugs that would cause Find Stuff to crash in certain situations (documeneted
in the readme file).  There are no major changes in this release, hopefully
next time.

  Find Stuff is a program which will help you find your files.  It is
simular to the Finder's Find feature, but in my opinion better and faster.
It allows you to search by multiple parameters (name, date created,
date modified, file type, file creator and label).

Find Stuff does require System 7.


Thanks
Dave Sugar
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/disk/find-stuff-104.hqx; 141K]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 22:18:39 -0800 (PST)
From: "Erik C. Thauvin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] GEnieNav_Lite_21.hqx

GEnieNav Lite 2.1 (GEnieNav_Lite_21.hqx)

If you're using MicroPhone II 4.0, LT or Pro 1.0 and you're not using
GEnieNav Lite, then you're wasting time and money on GEnie, the General
Electric Network for Information Exchange.

GEnieNav gives you offline power for your online activities. Email and
Bulletin Board (BB) messages can be automatically retrieved then read and
replied to while offline -- at your leisure. And GEnieNav will
automatically post your responses!

While online GEnieNav' can instantly navigate you to many predefined areas
of GEnie and set you up for Bulletin Board, Library or Real-Time
Conference functions.

And there's lots more, including info on the truly inexpensive commercial
version.

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/genie-nav-lite-21.hqx; 259K]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 22:39:02 -0800 (PST)
From: "Erik C. Thauvin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] GEnieNav_Lite_21_Update.hqx

GEnieNav Lite 2.1 Update (GEnieNav_Lite_21_Update.hqx)

Here it is: the new GEnieNav Lite -- the quickest, easiest way to get and
make the most of your time on GEnie! If you're using a previous version of
GEnie Navigator, get this file today. It's faster than ever and includes
new tools.

The Nav Tool lets you instantly move to predefined areas of GEnie and sets
up the icon bar automatically for Library, Bulletin Board or Real-Time
Conference functions. The News Tool allows you to download LiveWire,
GEnieLamp and other news files from offline.

And there's lots more, including info on an inexpensive commercial version.

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/genie-nav-lite-21-updt.hqx; 273K]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 15:10:43 +0100
From: Stefan Pantke <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] MacBoing 1.0

Hi!

This is MacBoing v 1.0, a simple Breakout-like game
inspired by XBoing.

MacBoing 1.0 looks best on color screens, but may be run on
b/w monitors.

Have fun,
Stefan

[Archived as /info-mac/game/arc/mac-boing-10.hqx; 159K]

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 01:28:05 +0000
From: Dair Grant <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Mysteron Fader

Mysteron is a DarkSide fader that requires an 8-bit display. It draws
a series of centered circles, then makes them appear to flow in or
out of the center of the screen. Can get quite hypnotic... :-)

-dair

[Archived as /info-mac/gui/mysteron-ds.hqx; 5K]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 11:13:12 CST
From: [e-mail] (eric weidl)
Subject: [*] So To Speak 1.0

All,

So To Speak version 1.0 is finally finished! It is the best shareware app
to demonstrate Apple's new Speech Manager. With So To Speak, you can have
two voices speaking at once. While they are speaking, you can vary their
modulation, pitch, rate and volume.

This version works on all Macs, including Macs with small monitors (SE's,
Pluses, etc.) It also works properly on black & white-only machines. You
can also create, open, and save text files. Drag-and-drop of text files is
supported on System 7 machines.

You must have the Speech Manager software to make full use of So To Speak.

Have fun!

Eric

[Archived as /info-mac/snd/util/so-to-speak-10.hqx; 462K]

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 01:28:11 +0000
From: Dair Grant <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Splines Fader

Splines is a variation on a standard squiggly line fader that draws a
series of splines across your Mac's display. It's basically a port of
an X Windows program (xsplinefun.c).Requires DarkSide of the Mac 4.1.

-dair

[Archived as /info-mac/gui/splines-ds.hqx; 6K]

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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 93 21:32:22 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] Stacks&Externals_catalog.hqx

This stack makes a catalogue  of  all your stacks. If there are any externals
in the stack  the XCMD:s  and XFCN:s are listed on the cards. All cards are
linked to the  appropiate stack by clicking the stack name field. By clicking
the resource name it is possible to copy  it to a choosen  destination stack.
You can also to compact all stack on a volume.
Please report bugs and suggestions to
[e-mail].

[Archived as /info-mac/card/stack-catalog-hc.hqx; 47K]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 18:32:18 +0100
From: Jordi Steve <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] Type 1 and TT font posting

*** STEVE.HQX ***

This is a handwriting font available in both ATM Type 1 and TrueType format.
Includes all upper and lower cases, number, french accents and about 20
extra characters such as +"*%&(){}[]| and so on...

Sincerely,
Steve JORDI - Geophysics - U of Geneva - Switzerland - [e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/font/steve.hqx; 104K]

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 12:21:02 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jon Christiansen)
Subject: [Q] Network Managment Software....

In MacUser's 1001 Hints and Tips for 1993 stack (free w/subscription) it
discusses "Querying Routers With PacketSend".  It says that you can
download PacketSend from ZiffNet/Mac (PKTSND.SEA in Library 6 of the
Download & Support Forum) as well as from other on-line services.

Does anyone know where on the internet one can get ahold of this stack, and
also there were three other programs suggested to analyze the results from
this stack: LocalPeek, EtherPeek, and NetMinder.  Does anyone know the
whereabouts of these programs???  If someone has a copy of any of these
programs and they are shareware/freeware if they could post it to Info-Mac,
I would appreciate it!!!!

Thanks in advance,

Jon Christiansen                             Internet: [e-mail]
Programmer/Analyst                             BITNET: christij@snygenva
College Information Systems                    DecNET: SGENVA::CHRISTIJ
State Univeristy of New York at Geneseo       Phone #: [phone]
Geneseo, New York 14454-1401                    Fax #: [phone]

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 14:49:09 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Thomas Werschlein)
Subject: Accessing files of type SIMA, creator GEOL (Q)

I know that this question already appeared in info-mac. Sorry, but I
couldn't find the answer in the FAQ of "comp.sys.mac.comm". So here it is
again...

How can I access files of type SIMA and creator GEOL (and extension .img)?

Any help is appreciated!
TIA
Thomas
([e-mail])

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 22:08 EDT
From: RICH FRIEDMAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Adding a SuperDrive to a MacII

My BIL is thinking about adding a superdrive to his MacII.  He was told that he
would have to also add some ROM chips.  IS this true?

As an alternative he has been thinking about buying a program for his IBM to
read Mac disks, trnasfer the files to DD disks and convert the files back to
Mac form once its back to the Mac.  Anybody ever try this.  What about just
setting up a LAN between the two computers?

Rich
[e-mail]

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Date: 28 Dec 1993 13:35:26 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Nicky Nguyen)
Subject: another Partition question

Hi! I saw a posting from Jeffrey N. Fritz stating that he received advice
on how to partition is HD.  I would appreciate it if those of you who sent
advice to Jeff would also email me the advice.  I have the program setup-
partition 1.0.1, but it states that you use the HD SC Setup 7.2.2 to
do the initial partitioning.  However, when I tried running the program,
I get a response stating something to the effect that it didn't
find a suitable media to do anything.  The drive (1 Gig) works fine, but
now I would like to partition it.  Please help

Nick
[e-mail]

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Date: 27 Dec 1993 11:17:38 +0000
From: [e-mail] (Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble)
Subject: AppleCD 300 promotion in France !! (C)

>>> Apple France is doing a limited offer for their CD300 drive:
>>> - until 02/28/94 it will cost 1490 FF ($250) with one of the best
>>>   CD-Rom title in French: "Comus et Bacchus" (French vines and food)
>
>>Apple Germany - are you listening?
>>Is there anyone out there working for Apple Germany?
>
>Someone in the Netherlands did listen: I just ordered one for dlf 350, ($180)
>Without CD's though. And only when you tell them the serial number of yot
mac.

Hey, this is Europe now.  If Apple in one EU country refuse to sell to you (in
another EU country) ask them to give you the reasons in writing so that you
can enquire about whether or not such a refusal is a restrictive trade practice
outlawed by the Maastricht treaty.  I'm waiting for an opportunity to try it
;-)


Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE ([e-mail]) Fax (France=33).76.48.39.06

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 21:02:47 GMT
From: Sven Guckes <[e-mail]>
Subject: AppleCD 300 promotion in France !! (C)

S.P. van de Burgt <[e-mail]> writes:

>Someone in the Netherlands did listen: I just ordered one for dlf 350, ($180)
>Without CD's though. And only when you tell them the serial number of your
mac.

$180 for a CD-ROM drive?
Is that a CD150, CD300, or CD300i?

Sven :)

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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 01:52:52 EST
From: [e-mail] (2d Lt Avram Dorfman)
Subject: Apple Color Display "Bug"? (Q)

Please respond directly - will post summary...

Has anyone besides me wondered if the brightness and contrast knobs on the
Apple Color Display (hi-res trinitron) are reversed according to their labels?

It seems to me that the "contrast" label (the half-moon) is next to the knob
that dims the entire screen almost to black, and the "brightness" label (the
sun) is next to the knob that has a minimal effect on bright objects and makes
dark ones darker/lighter - that would be contrast, no?

Just curious,

-Avram Dorfman ([e-mail])

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 20:32:58 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (W.K. Fry)
Subject: Checkmark in the Watch

Has anyone else noticed that in System 7 Pro, the hands of the watch
turn into a checkmark for just a few moments right after the Finder
loads.  Does anyone know why?

My roommate installed System 7 Pro and then reinstalled 7.1, and the
cursor still did it!  Weird!  I really don't think it used to do it in
7.1.  So what changes of System 7 Pro are still lingering once you
reinstall an older version?  Hmmmmmm. . . .

-William K. Fry

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 21:09:56 -0600
From: Paul M Sheldon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Does rebuilding the desktop destroy custom icons (A)

    Icons on folders come from invisible file in folder that rebuilding
desktop won't touch.
    Answering subject line, I believe that rebuilding desktop can only
improve things with icons in cases more general than folders, say the ones
for applications. You lose generic icons by rebuilding the desktop, I
believe. But, you only lose them to gain real ones.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 21:10:56 GMT
From: Sven Guckes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Does rebuilding the desktop destroy custom icons?

Bienvenu Jay <[e-mail]> writes:

>All of my major folders and most of my application folders have custom icons
>that were painstakingly hand-crafted.
>Will rebuilding my desktop destroy them? (This isn't in the Mac manual.)

No.
Rebuilding the desktop will not kill your custom icons.
(This is from experience...)

Custom icons are invisible files with name "Icon", type="", creator="".
(Or so it seems.)
They are inside the folder to which they are customs icons to.  (Parse that!)
Icons usually are only affected if they are applications or documents.

But I always wondered why naming a (visible) folder "Icon" does not
clash with a custom icon file.

Now, this doesn't sound very convincing, does it?
Could somebody please give a better explanation?

Sven :)

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 09:51:53+080
From: [e-mail] (Stephen Smoliar)
Subject: eccentric modems (Q)

I wish to report some potentially curious modem behavior in the hopes of
learning if anyone has had similar experiences.  Because my wife uses our
equipment heavily in preparing her teaching materials, we are a two-Macintosh
family.  Our principal machine is a IIvx to which I have connected a
SupraFAXModem V.32bis.  We both use this for sending FAX messages, and
I run Kermit 0.99(188) to connect to the Unix server at my office.  When
my wife has the IIvx engaged, I can still dial in from my PowerBook 170,
on which I installed a Global Village PowerPort/Gold (again through Kermit).

The server at my office supports a fairly reliable 14.4K connection through
which I down-load frequently with no trouble.  Uploading, however, is another
matter.  The PowerPort/Gold has given me no trouble;  but the SupraFAXModem
inevitably aborts after being obliged to attempt inordinate numbers of
retries.
I have nothing more than anecdotal evidence thus far;  but I have now attempted
several case studies, all of which turn out the same way.  The success of the
PowerPort/Gold leads me to believe that there is no problem at my host's end,
regarding either the modem or Kermit.  On the other hand, the SupraFAXModem
manual seems to allow for more settings than I have seen for any modem I
previously owned.  So I figure it is worth reporting this in the hope that
there is some setting I have not yet considered which might finally make
uploading through this modem work.

This is probably also a good place to report an interesting eccentricity on the
PowerBook side.  The PowerBook prints on an Epson LQ-100 which used to be
connected to a PC clone my wife used before she became a Macintosh user.
I use PowerPrint for this connection.  Again, it works very nicely . . . as
long as I am not trying to maintain a PowerPort connection at the same time.
If I try to print in the background while maintaining a modem connection, the
connection just drops out on me, usually while the first page is printing.  I
was wondering if this is a PowerBook problem, possibly having to do with an
inability to chew gum and walk down stairs at the same time.  Again, I would
appreciate hearing if there are any similar experiences or any hypotheses for
a remedy.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 20:09:17 PST
From: Robert Lenoil <[e-mail]>
Subject: FaxSTF - no upgrade policy

I too was upset at STF's insensitive upgrade policy. I purchased a Supra
fax modem just at the Quadra 840AV appeared. Due to that machine's funky
serial port architecture the fax software did not work. I called STF in
September. All they did was take my name and number and said "they'd call
me" when they had some news.

No news. When 3.0 came out I called to see about an upgrade. As the poster
noted, STF had no upgrade in place. I called Supra and told them that I
wanted a copy of the 3.0 software or they could take my non-faxing fax modem
back, thank you very much. After more than a week, I received a call from
someone at Supra who told me that STF is working on a bug fix release to their
version 2 software, which would allow faxing on the Quadras. Supra would send
me a copy of that when available, but STF was not giving any dates as to when
that would be.

I'm still deciding what to do at this point. Supra has said they will take my
modem back (through the reseller where I purchased it). For now, I've plugged
in my old Global Village TelePort that runs off the ADB port; it can fax on
the Quadra since it doesn't use the serial port, and I am continuing to use
the Supra for V32.bis communication through the serial port. Now that Global
Village has a fix for the AVs, I may just buy a TelePort Gold and return the
Supra, washing my hands of the STF people forever.

Robert Lenoil

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 10:53 CST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: FaxSTF no upgrade policy

I posted my comments about FaxSTF's policy of no upgrade to their latest
version, even when it contains a bug fix from a previous version.

I received many comments, so will post a couple here.  They were quite
on-sided--people thought FaxSTF had a nice product but are shooting
themselves in the foot by the poor way they are treating their customers.
All they need is some decent competition, and people will "jump ship."

Here are a couple comments:

So you know you're not alone - I've had problems with getting an STF upgrade
also. In my case the STF manual promised a free upgrade, but they won't honor
it. I posted a note about it in comp.sys.mac.comm about a week ago ("FaxSTF
upgrade problems"). Since then I've heard from others with the same problem -
it seems STF just doesn't care. Seems they gave away a lot of free copies
of 2.2.x bundled with modems, and they want to recoup their r&d investment by
making the upgrade path very expensive. In the process they are upsetting
loyal users.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Considering how my case has been handled, I think the only option is to
jump to a competitor's product (which I'm looking into now), and help others
to avoid STF in the future. A company's longevity largely depends on good
customer service - I don't see a bright future for STF.

I couldn't agree more with your CSMD evaluation of STF's policy regarding
upgrades.  Well over two months ago I sent them two faxes requesting
technical help with 2.2.3, with snail/internet/fax mail return addresses.
Not a peep!

They don't write the software (see Get Info box) but I think they are still
obligated to support the software; after all, you register it with them.

Do you know if STF has an Internet address?  Maybe if all us "dissatified
customers" sent them a blast, they'd cut us a little slack ?

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 18:10:51 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Finder Help

Dear fellow Mac users,

I am in need of the mac finder file (7.1P2)  I have been using the finder that
came with my emergency disk, but I just discovered that this finder is not
complete.  I copied it to my hard drive when my original finder was damaged.
Please, if you could, send me mail if you have this finder (the performa
version). I am not asking for the file right away because I may log on to
see that all my disk space is gone!

Thanks for the help, this is a life saver.

-Chris

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 13:18:57 EST
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: From DOS machine to Mac

Some of us were discussing using PC Lotus files on a Mac at home:

> So our budget liason needs to use Lotus for the Mac. Files created
> on the budget PCs are set to the file server and our liason opens them
> from her Mac. Your friend shouldn't have a problem bringing files home
> from a PC at work and using them on a Mac with Lotus 1-2-3. They might
> need to get PC Access, which allows one to utilize PC formatted 3.5"
> disks on their Mac. Other than that they should have little or no
> problems.

It should be noted that many (or all) Performas comes with a utility
to transfer between Mac and PC (called AccessPC??)-Pete Tamas
[e-mail] or TempleVM.bitnet

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 11:24:11 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GIFs from PC

     GIFs from PC
I have a user that has received a number of GIFs from a PC user, and he's used
Apple File Exchange to translate them to Mac format.  Unfortunately, he can't
access them in any program (PageMaker, PhotoShop, etc.).  I tried SuperConvert
and XlateGraf, a couple of graphics translation utilities to no avail.
Apparently, AFE does a good job on text-type files (I've also been successful
with FoxBase database, program, etc, files) but doesn't have a built-in
inter-platform graphics translation capability.  Any sharware suggestions?
Please respond ASAP to me directly.  Thanks for any help you can provide.

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 08:57:24 EST
From: [e-mail] (PETER K. ZEITLER)
Subject: Good basic educational software?

I'm about to donate a forlorn old Mac to my son's elementary school class
(kindergarten). The machine's an original 128k that gradually became converted
to a Plus (those were the days...128->Fat Mac->SCSI->meg of RAM->hard drive,
plus a power supply conversion from Australian to U.S.!!).

Question is, what decent programs/stacks are there for black-and-white, small
screen Pluses running something like Sys6.0.5 (and that are suitable for
people in grades k-2)? Shareware would be nice but I'm willing to pay
commercial prices for one or two packages.

Happy holidays!

Peter K. Zeitler ([e-mail])
Earth & Environmental Sciences, Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 20:48:12 EST
From: Tom Smyth <[e-mail]>
Subject: Good Educational Software (R)

Joung-woo asks of good educational software for a six year old...
      While there are many variables such as her reading and computational
abilities, the following are outstanding programs for pre-school and the
early grades: Edmark- Thinkin' Things, Millie's Math House, Bailey's Book
House; Broderbund - Kid Pix, The Playroom, The Treehouse, The Backyard;
The Tortoise and the Hare (CD), Arthur's Teacher Trouble (CD), Just
Grandma and Me (CD),and Where in the World Is Carmen Sandiago?
      I've used all of these effectively with young children.  While not
an exclusive list, these titles are intuitive, fun, interactive, and
worthwhile.  Several are bi- or multi-lingual as well.  Good luck!

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 10:35:05 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Have you ever seen this bug

I am writing the internet community out of desperation.  I Have been
chasing an elusive bug for a while but the inconsistency in the behavior
makes it difficult to track down, I tried living without many of my
extentions for a long time to no avail.
SO PLEASE HELP IF YOU SEEN YOUR MAC DO THIS !
    1) Directory damage, usually lost threads
    2) Out of memory error on finder launch (xxxk were needed 0k was
available) where there is plenty of memory available
Looks like something is overwriting some memory management routines in
memory and later maybe effects the way files are written to disk.
My system extentions:
Conflict Extension  1.36, Disinfectant INIT  3.3,   Now Toolbox  4.0.1,
Billminder, CEToolbox  1.7, Coach Pro  Extension 4.0, Directory Assistance
II  2.0, Forward Delete 1.1, QuicKeys  Toolbox  3.0, QuickTime  1.6.1,
System Error Patch 1.0,  Kerberos  v 1d1, Conflict Catcher  1.36,
ApplWindows v2.0, CDU v1.0, CopyDoubler  2.0.2, Dialer 1.0, MacSLIP 2.0b69,
MacTCP 2.0.4, Memory 7.1.2, MODE32 1.2, NowMenus 4.0.1, PC Exchange  1.0.3,
QuicKeys   3.0, Safety Belt 1.0  2, SCSIProbe-Alysis  3.5 - Alysis,
WindowWarp  v2.1.1, WYSIWYG Menus  4.0.1  (SE/30 20Meg, 32bit mode.)

Any advice will be much appreciated.  Thank you   --Zak

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 10:45:11 EST
From: [e-mail] (Rob Erik Schoenborn)
Subject: Help! I can't run SpectreVR on my SE...

Hi Folks,

I got SpectreVR for Christmas, but discovered that there was
an addressing error when I tried to boot it on my SE.  I was
wondering if I can add a Transwarp Accelerator to fix this,
or do I need to have a mac that has a 512k rom chip??  I am
looking for the cheapest fix, and would welcome any ideas.

Thanks, Rob  ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 16:00:53 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Adam Harris MD)
Subject: I'm new here

Dear Info Mac Moderators:~

I'm brand new to the internet and I was browsing around the public
domain/shareware stuff at Stanford. Is there a font sampler or
catalogue. The abstract file is not too helpful. Also, I did download
a few fonts, some of which show up only as "document" and don't load
into the font folder under system 7.1. What am I missing?~

Thanks~

Adam

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 21:18:26 -0600
From: Paul M Sheldon <[e-mail]>
Subject: IIsi Sound Problems (A)

    There was a flap a long time ago on this digest about it. The answer
was that IIsi impoverished  (I guess oxidized) speaker contacts could
momentarily be improved by software having a high current though them, but
that it was a hardware problem. There were some recommendations and one
fellow warned that you shouldn't clean the contacts with an eraser because
they had delicate gold plating (so how did they get impoverished), rather
you should use gentle strokes of Irish whiskey. Several other alcohols
were mentioned, some not available in USA as toxic.
    This entire thread would be instantly available through something
called wais, a parallel machine that allows you to search old digest e mails.
    The trouble is I can't figure out how to use the new wais to get all
this stuff down and have to rely on my vague memories of this thing from
years ago.
    My best advice:
    Plug in to an external amplifier until wais works again and you can
reconstruct all the options.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 22:07:27 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mike Cohen)
Subject: IIsi Sound Problems (Q)

[e-mail] writes:

>I have a IIsi at home that is always having problems with the sound.  My
>daughter and I have to go into the sound control panel and increase the
>volume to get the sound to come back.  Do I need to replace my speaker or
>is it a software problem?  I guess it could be that the speaker is not
>getting enough electrical current at times.

>What alternatives are there to fixing the speaker problem?  Does Apple
>know about the problem and are they willing to solve it?  Thanks in advance
>for any help or suggestions!

That's a pretty well known problem with the IIsi caused by poor connections
between the speaker and the motherboard. Other solutions are to use external
stereo speakers (my favorite solution; the stereo sound is great) or open up
your mac and clean the contacts (it's directly under the front side of the
motherboard). This same problem also sometimes causes the power light to blink
or go out.
--
Mike Cohen
[e-mail] / ALink: D6734 / AOL: MikeC20

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 15:03:53 MEZ
From: Helmut ORTNER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Installing LaserWriter8 (R)

A Moiseff asked for help installing LW 8 on his system.
Although You didn't mention what error occurs I repost a message I sent
a few weeks ago.

P.S. Even if You run an U.S. version of 7.1 You should check that
     the names of the special folders in Your system folder are the
     ones that the installer exspects.

Helmut

.......................................................................

>Date: Sun, 10 Oct 93 21:12:11 CET
>From: Alfredo Todini <MC0736mclink.it>
>Subject: Laserwriter 8.1.1

>I have tried to install the Laserwriter 8.1.1 software, but I always get
>the message "Install Failed:. Unknown error  0SErr=-043". Can anyone help
>me?

The installer script works only on US systems.
To make it work on Your system, follow the steps below:
   1. Open the installer script (the script, not the program) of the
      Laserwriter 8.1.1 diskette with ResEdit and Clear (Delete) the resource
      type=fld#, id=0.
   2. Open the installer script of your system 7 installation disk (the one
      named "Install Me First" or "Inizio Installatione") with ResEdit and
      Copy the resource type=fld#, id=0.
   3. Paste it into the installer script of the Laserwriter 8.1.1 diskette.
   4. Save and Quit Resedit.
For Your information: the resource type=fld#, id=0 stores the localized
names of some folders inside the system folder.

Hope this helps                Helmut Ortner
                   Austrian National Library

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 07:30:06 MST
From: [e-mail] (Steve Pothier)
Subject: Jasmine "MegaDrive" driver?

I recently bought a Jasmine 20 meg "MegaDrive" at an auction. Come to
find out, I don't have a software driver for it.  Anyone have _any_
ideas where I might be able to find a Jasmine driver.  I would really
like to be able to run it under system 7.

I have cables. Have connected it up to my SE/30. Even tried some
utilities that can ping the SCSI (the saw the drive).

Steve Pothier
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 09:59:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Cohen <[e-mail]>
Subject: LC 520 monitor [A]

[e-mail] wonders [Info-Mac Digest 246] if the thin gray line 2/3 of
the way down the screen on the LC 520 is normal.

Yes it is, and it is not, as you describe it, a "problem" but a
structural feature: it is, in fact a shadow cast on your screen by a thin
wire that holds the picture tube's shadow mask in place. This line can be
seen on ANY Trinitron monitor, including the family TV (larger screens
have TWO such wires holding the shadow mask in place). Think of it as the
price you pay for a very clear picture, or as a designer label <* grin *>.

Michael E. Cohen
a.k.a. [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 03:09:40 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Ed Welborn)
Subject: LineLink-InterSLIP hangup

The subject says it all...

Not nearly.

Anyone using a LineLink and InterSLIP and have a script (either Dial
or Gateway) which will succesfully hangup? Of course the Dialing script
must also sucessfully connect =[;-)

Can't figure out where the problem lies, but a hangup label in a Gateway
script does nothing at all. And any Dialing script I've tried simply jumps
>From Dialing to Hangup without doing anything in between. It doesn't even
seem to send the modem any command as none of the light blink.

Anybody else experience this on other modems? Is this modem specific, in
the software or what is going on? I'm at a loss.

In Joy,
Ed

[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 10:17:06 -0500
From: [e-mail] (William Edwards)
Subject: Linelink 144e:  I returned it

I could not get it to receive FAX'es with either MaxFax or FaxSTF, nor
could I get it to dial up my wife's work (DECServer 200 connected to a
VAX, not sure what kind of modem).  I fear that you gets what you pays
for.  I'm glad that others have had better luck with it, but cannot in
all good conscience recommend the Linelink.  I am holding out for a
Teleport Gold.   My 2400 baud Teleport just works, plug and play.
-- Bill Edwards
   Dana Farber Cancer Institute/ECOG
   303 Boylston Street; Brookline MA 02146
  [phone]; [e-mail]; [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 14:37:34 -0600
From: Bienvenu Jay  <[e-mail]>
Subject: lost file icons

A few days ago I asked here whether rebuilding teh desktop would destroy my
custom folder icons.  Well, I rebuilt my desktop yesterday, and my folder icons
are untouched, but now all of a sudden many application icons (including Res-
Edit, FileMaker Pro and MacDraw II) and their document icons are lost.  I
thought
runnign the applications would restore the icons from their BNDLs, but
apparentlyI was wrong.  Does anyone out ther have a cure?

I would greatly appreciate also if someone woudl explain how the system
associates icons with file types and creators.

MTIA.                                   -- Jay

P.S.  Thanks to all who responded to my question about booting from a floppy.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 29 Dec 93 2:18:25 EST
From: [e-mail] (Chuck Williams)
Subject: Mac in a PC world?  Hmmm... [Q]

Hi all,

OK, here's the scoop...  I want to integrate my Q610 8/230 CD into a PC,
NFS, Novell environment.  I will be the only Mac around.  Also, I need
tn3270 emulation so I can connect to an IBM mainframe.  Given an Ethernet
(twisted pair) connection, what else do I need??

Here's a question to whet the appetites of all you cross-platform
gurus out there.

Please help me!  I can't wait to see the looks on my co-worker's
faces when introduce them to "Houdini", and real Macintosh power!

Moof!

Chuck

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 20:54:53 EST
From: INRA000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Macintosh "Real" multitasking

>> In summary, I can cause a transer abort with disk access and mouse button
>> activity.  The problem occurs with or without the Apple Communications
>> Toolbox related programs.  The programs that I'll name are Z-Term and
>> MicroPhone Pro.  I'd like to have the liberty of not naming the third
program
>> but it uses the Toolbox.  I am not networked, nor do I have Slip ability
with
>> the service that I use.
[snip]
>Applications that weren't written with this cooperativeness in mind won't
>allow your file transfers to take place in the background. Likewise, your
>background functions will grind to a halt when the foreground application
>is doing some processor intensive task.

    I'd like to point out that the MacOS is taking a lot of blame in
this thread when it is very possible for a good programmer to eliminate
the difficulties that the original poster was experiencing.

    The Mac *DOES* have provisions for executing tasks that are very
time-sensitive in a way that is independant of the normal multitasking
scheme. Another poster mentioned AppleTalk transfers as an example of
this; network transfers do not get interrupted by heavy foreground
activity or holding the mouse down. The same can be done with modem
transfers, although it requires more work on the programmer's part. My
fax modem, an Interfax unit, implements this scheme, and faxes are
sent and received smoothly even when I hold down menus or launch apps.
I have also heard that MacIntercomm does the same thing; as a result,
holding down the mouse button, launching apps, formatting disks, etc.
have no effect on the transfer.

    Now, a Macintosh with preemptive multitasking would of course make
everything much easier; programmers wouldn't have to make the extra
effort to make sure their file transfers can survive intense activity.
However, I think some if not most of the blame lies with the application
programmers for not taking full advantage of the features available
in the MacOS and eliminating this problem. Unfortunately, cooperative
multitasking schemes are more easily crippled by poorly written apps,
leaving users much more vulnerable to shortcomings in their programs.

    Take heart -- Apple propaganda promises that "future versions of
the system software will feature preemptive multitasking and memory
protection". They're working on it. Multithreading is already available,
and we should start to see some concrete examples of the extra power
it provides shortly.

    Cheers,

    Mark Aiken
    [e-mail]
    [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 00:59:14 -0500 (EST)
From: Les Jones <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac Multitasking (C)

The other day I formatted a floppy while downloading from a
FirstClass BBS in the background. This was totally accidental.
If I had been thinking about what I was doing, I never would
have tried it. It worked fine, though.

Several people mentioned background downloading in ZTerm.
(John Thoo even mentioned the terrific Star Trek sounds for
ZTerm!) I'm told that increasing the port buffer size in
ZTerm will improve background downloading.

Instructions for changing the port buffer size in ZTerm can
be found in section four of the ZTerm FAQ 1.5, available in
the info-mac/comm/info directory of sumex-aim.

Les Jones      [e-mail]     ZTerm FAQ author

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 03:09:33 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Ed Welborn)
Subject: MacSlurp

Greetings and Solutions,

Have question, will post.

Anybody out there using MacSlurp and have this problem?

MacSlurp claims to be getting a slew of articles, but when it finishes
it reports "0 new articles....303(or sundry other figures) missing articles".

Any clues, hints or suggestions as to how to cure this would be appreciated.

In Joy,
Ed

[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 01:58:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MacWorld Netherlands (C)

>When will we ever see a MacWorld in the Netherlands again? :-(

Ah yes, an old timer. Well, The MacWorld in Rotterdam was organized by some
guy who thought it would be cool to have a MacWorld in the Netherlands. He
contacted MacWorld and got permission to use the name and off he went to
organize his very first international trade show, actually, his first
regional trade show, heck, his first trade show period.

He got very far along, got deeper and deeper into areas he had no experience
in and well, mid way through all the arrangements, he had a breakdown. He did
good, he had excellent intentions, but he was way over his head, and the
strain was too much for him.

Apple saw that a european "MacWorld Expo" had just self destructed and
realized how bad this would appear. So Apple took over the show, hired people
to do all the tasks the one guy had tried to do by himself. They promoted it
like crazy and even arranged for buses of people to attend from countries all
over europe. The show was a success and was never repeated.

I saw the guy who started it all sitting in a booth during the show. I
recognized his name tag and sat down and talked with him and got his story.

I don't remember his name but who ever he is, he had guts to even attempt to
do what he did. He did a very good job of getting the thing off the ground.
It was unfortunate for him that it was just a bit too much for him to handle.

Whoever you are, you did good. I remember.

Kee Nethery
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1993 15:23:51 MST
From:
"/R=ENSRV1/R=AM/U=hager/L=AV2BB82E5/TN=[phone]/FFN=eD/"@ENSRV1MR.BCASD.AZ.HONEYWELL.COM(602)
Subject: Moving from Mac to PC - good or bad?

My wife is a graphic artist and works for an insurance company doing brochures
and advertisement.  The company's solution center wants to standardize the
company and thinks this requires removing all of the Mac's and replacing them
with DOS machines.  The solution center thinks this is the only way everyone
can be on one LAN and share one e-mail system (yes, I know this very
incorrect).  My wife only knows the Mac and her schedule will not allow any
down time for training and PC problem solving.

I am requesting any input on this subject: everyone should be on the same
machines or a mixture of machines is ok.  I would like to hear anyone's
experiences of moving from Mac's to PC's (and maybe back to Mac's).

Ed Hager
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 15:43:40 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: Multi-tasking again (C)

[e-mail] wrote:

>I repeat that Apple has made this work much, much better than I ever
>believed possible, but I sure hope that a shift to "real" MT (pre-emptive)
>is going to happen soon.

    I seem to say this more and more, but I repeat it one more time for
the cheap seats: Pre-emptive multi-taking is no more REAL than
cooperative multi-tasking.

-Hades

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 20:37:12 -0500 (EST)
From: MY KARMA RAN OVER MY DOGMA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Need a good find!

Hello all:
I am going crazy with the system 7 find! Is there a shareware FIND prog that
will give a listing of all the items it finds that matches the find text
string?
Like the find DA from sys 6!!?  Okay!
Also, how can I restart a remote mac, assuming I connect to it w/ARA and put
software that requires a restart?  We're talking ARA 1.0 here.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 13:48:19 gmt
From: [e-mail] (cc)
Subject: New Apple Software?

     December issue of MacUser refers to upgrades to Apple software,
     including a new Disk First Aid (7.2, I think), and a utility called
     MacCheck which does a hardware test of your Mac. MacUser refers to
     file stored on their CompuServe forum. Living in Europe, I don't have
     a CIS account. Since this is (allegedly) Apple software, I checked
     ftp.apple.com, sumex and UMich, all with no luck. Anyone else found
     this software? Got a line on an ftp-able location from which to
     download? Thanks in advance

     Pete Jones

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 13:19:05 -0800 (PST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Oxford English Dictionary on CD-ROM (Q)

According to the "Mind & Matter" column in the Dec. 24 Globe & Mail,
the Macintosh CD-ROM version of the "Oxford English Dictionary" has
been released this month.  No other particulars were given.

My understanding is that it is one of the outcomes of a University of
Waterloo project.  Can anyone provide details about its availability
and cost?  Local retailers appear to know nothing about it.  (Why am I
not surprised?)
--
Jay Handel
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 20:30:20 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (W.K. Fry)
Subject: StartupScreen Problems

It must be bad karma.  When I began a job a year ago, the Macintosh I
used would draw the StartupScreen in the lower left corner of the screen
while booting.  I would replace it with other screens, but the problem
continued.  Since it was not my place to alter reinstall the system, I
assume it was just an oddity.

Tonight, the problem happened on my own Mac.  I am running System 7 Pro.
When I booted my computer, the StartupScreen was in B&W instead of
color.  I thought this was odd, but perhaps the screen just got damaged,
so I replaced it with a new one.  The next time I booted, the screen was
still B&W, but this time it was also positioned off in the left lower
corner.

I assumed then that my System was corrupted, so I reinstalled
everything.  It still won't fix the problem.

Any advice?  Has this happened to anyone else?  How do you fix it?  Am I
doomed to the "Welcome to Macintosh" screen for the rest of my life?
Thanks in advance.

-William K. Fry

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 13:03:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ned S. VanderVen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: SuperBoomerang/WordPerfect conflict

Yesterday I posted an inquiry about the inablility to print from
WordPerfect 3.0 when Super Boomerang 4.0.1p was enabled.

This morning I received a message from Hiro Yamamoto, the author of
Super Boomerang, informing me that this is a bug in SB that will be
corrected in the forthcoming version 4.0.2. Thanks, Hiro, for your
prompt reply.

Ned VanderVen
Dept. of Physics
Carnegie Mellon University

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 93 19:16:37 CST
From: Terry Koyn <[e-mail]>
Subject: Terminal Software

I use a Mac with a modem and Kermit 0.99(185) on a IBM mainframe
running CMS.  I run with VT100 terminal emulation.

I am wondering if there is a better term program for using with CMS
than kermit.  Ideally, I would like something that can display color
like if I were an a real terminal, provide easy access to the special
keystrokes, and supports efficient file transfer.

Are there any CMS programs I can keep in my CMS disk that can function
as an alternative to Kermit and provide another faster protocol?

Please send any replies both to the list and to my private mail box at
[e-mail]

Thank you,

Terry Koyn

Author of a new innovative fractal graphics package for the
Macintosh; send email for more information and a free demo

------------------------------

Date: 27 Dec 1993 10:29:22 U
From: "dlawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The thin grey line...

=> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 1993 21:39:12 -0800 (PST)
=> From: [e-mail]
=> Subject: LC 520 monitor
=>
=> My brother-in-law bought a LC520 a couple of weeks ago at the
=> university he works at and has been very happy with it, except for
=> one thing.  He says there is a thin grey horizontal line running
=> across the screen approximately two inches from the bottom.  When he
=> went back to the computer store at his campus, the salesperson told
=> him this was absolutely normal with Mac (Sony) Color Displays.  He
=> was shown a larger Mac monitor that was on display and it to had the
=> same grey horizontal line near the bottom.  I find it hard to believe
=> this problem is "normal".  Could I please get some feedback from
=> anyone who might know more about this.  Thanks.

It is absolutely the case. I believe that this is the shadow cast by the strut
that holds the mask in place on the screen...but the more hardware oriented
types might be able to elucidate. If, in fact, elucidating is still legal in
their counties. :)

David Lawrence -----> [e-mail]   CIS:75300,2460   AOL: OLTDavid
ARPA Macintosh Product Evaluation Manager <--- coolest job *in* the world

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 21:46:13 -0600
From: Paul M Sheldon <[e-mail]>
Subject: THINK Pascal 4.0 --- (_really_ good book for beginners)

    In my whole life, not a recent experience mind you, I really liked
"Pascal with Style, Programming Proverbs" by Henry F. Ledgard, et al. I
don't claim the book was really good (I know some would disagree if I said
that). But, how could anyone disagree with me on what I really liked, I
ask you? I am the absolute expert on that sort of stuff. I do know I
really liked that book. It provided me with extreme motivation
transcending any threats from management not to put in overtime in my
programming.
    Oh, wait a minute, management only let me use fortran, I had no excuse
whatsoever to read that book other than I liked the one I read in
industry, 'Fortran with Style'.
    Get 'Pascal with Style', it could change your life too or maybe even
your manager's lifestyle. Haven't heard from Ledgard lately and its a very
bad shame.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 10:06:53 +0000 (U)
From: WalrathW <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vacation Tracker Recommendations (Q)

Can anyone recommend a good program for tracking employee vacation schedules?
Along with maintaining the data for each individual person, it should be able
to graphically display all of the vacations planned for a specified period, and
provide some type of interface for dumping the vacation data to a file so that
other applications could use the data.

Appreciate any leads.

  -wayne
__________________
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 21:21:00 EST
From: [e-mail] (Christens-Barry W. A. RTP x6253 )
Subject: Where do I find info on using AppleScript ?

AppleScript v 1.0 was already installed on the hard drive when I bought
my Centris 660 AV, but there seems not to be any documentation.  Where
can I find documentation, tutorials, etc that teach one how to write
scripts?

Thanks...

Bill Christens-Barry

------------------------------

Date: 27 Dec 1993 20:37:41 U
From: "John Hickey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WordPerfect 3.0 for the Mac

    Reply to:   WordPerfect 3.0 for the Macintosh
In regards to recent questions on WP3 for the Macintosh... I am on a team
investigating the possibilities of WP3 for our campus.  We have been testing it
on 15 different types of Macintoshes extensively with up to 50 extensions and
have not experience the problems many have described (excluding World Script) -
rather we have been very pleased with its performance thus far.  I agreee that
there is reason for concern if it does perform as many of you have indicated. I
would be most grateful if you could sent to me ([e-mail]) a
profile of your system and a listing of the problems you have discovered.  Our
hope is that we might reproduce the problems you have experienced.  After I
have gathered the information I will be happy to publish the results here.
Many thanks in advance for your help!

John M. Hickey, Jr.
Microcomputer Consultant
Oberlin College

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 18:28:30 -0600 (CST)
From: "Larry Rymal:T.E.M.U.G.-EAST_TEXAS-" <[e-mail]>
Subject: WordProcessor Overdosed (was: WP 3 is a dog)

Matthew Miller <[e-mail]> writes:

>     This comes up every now and then and I am constantly perplexed by this
> topic.  Why would you want a company that makes WordProcessors to put this
> into their product?!?  Post-it notes and voice annotation, as you describe
> using them, are not WordProcessing, they are multi-media.  Buy a multi-media
> application and do it write. :-)

    This is commonly used in educational circles and is in demand,
also, in technical environments.  FullWrite Professional offers this in a
very convenient way, without a bunch of menus cluttering things up.

>     Unfortunatly, WP and Word and Write etc.  seem to want, not only
> spoilers and chrome wheels, but telephone poles on the top, refridgerators
> in the trunk, a full anodized steel movie screen on the hood...  Word
> Processors were designed to enter text and do basic formatting and
> manipulate that text.  No-one seems to remember that anymore so we end up
> with DOGS like WP and Word.

    Well, I totally agree, actually.  Word processors are strictly
that, but document processors have a bit more features in them.  In
defense of your argument, I know several folks who are very happy with
just BBEDIT or Edit II.
    But document processors, as Word Perfect claims to be, has a lot of
graphic and media tools.  My argument is that Word Perfect is a very
lame document processor and its bells and whistles are marginal.
    My feelings are that FullWrite Professional is very friendly to use,
powerful, and has a friendly interface.  When I first entered the Mac
World, FullWrite was the only processor that I used which I felt
comfortable with, and one that I didn't need a manual to use.  It was
and still is very intuitive.

>     And you still have a simple engine with lots of useless exterior. Maybe
> with the PowerPC platform we will finally see a move toward a simple core
> for a program and optional add-on parts to extend the functionality in
> exactly the way you want.

    Well, supposedly, MacWrite Pro has attempted this.  You just add
modules and you increase the functionality of the document processor.
I think a core program, that is very basic, and one that you add
modules to would be marvelous.  In some ways, BBEDIT does this with
its extensions.  MacWrite Pro really let me down with their efforts.
    I agree with more of your arguments than not.  My feeling is that
WordPerfect gives the Checker Taxi air conditioning using an ice equipped
temperature exchanger rather than freon, and eight track stereo mechanisms
with current audio cassette adapters, and it all looks good how it does
it.  However, the motor is a four cylinder trying to pump up all this
stuff.  It is a dated product with a pretty interface/s.
    I honestly feel that WordPerfect fails as a document processor.

--Larry

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